Wow, really not a fan of his job for that one. Not even remotely close to Kirby's original drawing.
That's weird because I fondly remember some fine inkings he did over Kirby's artwork.
I don't have the citation at the hand, but wasn't there an article sometime ago speculating that the Kirby pencils for this cover was actually done some years after the original New Gods #1 cover and that the Orion figure on the original New Gods #1 figure of Orion was taken from the 4th world character sketches done in the late '60s.
Yes this was drawn in 1976. See the original pencils tab. I never heard about it being based on character sketches from the late 60's. Sounds interesting. Be good to do some research on this.
I'm not sure who you had originally credited as the inker of the Orion drawing used on the cover of NEW GODS #1, but I'd be willing to bet it was Frank Giacoia, right? If it was, I don't think you should have changed your attribution, because that picture was clearly inked by Giacoia, not Don Heck. I know people are going to think I've got a lotta nerve for daring to disagree with Mark Evanier on this, but I know my inkers, boy, and I'd practically be willing to bet my life that that picture was inked by Giacoia, not Heck.
Correct I did list the inker as Frank Giacoia. The Jack Kirby Checklist lists Giacoia and thats who I when with. The Grand Comic Book Database lists Heck. And here, Mark Evanier says its Heck, so thats what I changed it to.
I guess some decisive evidence or proof would be needed to confirm either at this point. Or more expert opinions. Right now one for and one against Giacoia...
I have this piece. The inscription says "To my good friend, Pete, Jack Kirby" and he added the "76" when he signed it. It was not necessarily drawn in 1976. He had a drawing like this for sale at Baycon I think which I showed up to buy too late- and Roz kindly said Jack had another version of it back home which I could buy for the same price if I wanted to. Which I did, natch.
Thanks Pete for the clarification and the background information on the piece. Can you tell me if the piece at Bay Con was exactly the same to the one you eventually got? Any idea from Roz or Jack on the date Jack actually drew the piece(s)? It would also be great to get a high res archival scan for the Kirby Museum and to share on this site.
The piece they sold at Baycon was pretty much like this as I recall- it was sold to a guy named Rod Friggle and I THINK I saw it reproduced somewhere later on. I never saw them side by side of course. I will scan for you gladly someday- the piece is in a frame so it will take some doing though! No way to be sure when they were drawn but they did have a high price on the piece at Baycon, much higher than most of the other pencils for sale there. Wish I had asked more questions about it. It was a great testimonial to the generosity and kindness of the Kirby that they sold this to me for the lower price to be fair- even though the price was a mistake, as it was labled wrong. They were truly the greatest.
Thanks Pete for the additional detail on the original pencil piece. I'd love to get a scan someday for the archives and this site but understand the effort that goes into taking a piece of out out of a frame. If someday you can here is a link to the Kirby Museum's scanning instructions: http://kirbymuseum.org/oada. Thank you, Tom
Correction
The original inker was Don Heck.
Original Inker
Updated the original inker to Don Heck as per Mark Evanier.
Don Heck ?
Wow, really not a fan of his job for that one. Not even remotely close to Kirby's original drawing.
That's weird because I fondly remember some fine inkings he did over Kirby's artwork.
As for Mr Royer, gorgeous brushwork, as usual !
New Gods #1 cover
I don't have the citation at the hand, but wasn't there an article sometime ago speculating that the Kirby pencils for this cover was actually done some years after the original New Gods #1 cover and that the Orion figure on the original New Gods #1 figure of Orion was taken from the 4th world character sketches done in the late '60s.
Later pencils
Yes this was drawn in 1976. See the original pencils tab. I never heard about it being based on character sketches from the late 60's. Sounds interesting. Be good to do some research on this.
Don Heck?!
Hi Tom,
I'm not sure who you had originally credited as the inker of the Orion drawing used on the cover of NEW GODS #1, but I'd be willing to bet it was Frank Giacoia, right? If it was, I don't think you should have changed your attribution, because that picture was clearly inked by Giacoia, not Don Heck. I know people are going to think I've got a lotta nerve for daring to disagree with Mark Evanier on this, but I know my inkers, boy, and I'd practically be willing to bet my life that that picture was inked by Giacoia, not Heck.
Re: Don Heck?!
Correct I did list the inker as Frank Giacoia. The Jack Kirby Checklist lists Giacoia and thats who I when with. The Grand Comic Book Database lists Heck. And here, Mark Evanier says its Heck, so thats what I changed it to.
I guess some decisive evidence or proof would be needed to confirm either at this point. Or more expert opinions. Right now one for and one against Giacoia...
new gods date
I have this piece. The inscription says "To my good friend, Pete, Jack Kirby" and he added the "76" when he signed it. It was not necessarily drawn in 1976. He had a drawing like this for sale at Baycon I think which I showed up to buy too late- and Roz kindly said Jack had another version of it back home which I could buy for the same price if I wanted to. Which I did, natch.
Re: new gods date
Thanks Pete for the clarification and the background information on the piece. Can you tell me if the piece at Bay Con was exactly the same to the one you eventually got? Any idea from Roz or Jack on the date Jack actually drew the piece(s)? It would also be great to get a high res archival scan for the Kirby Museum and to share on this site.
kirby new gods cover
The piece they sold at Baycon was pretty much like this as I recall- it was sold to a guy named Rod Friggle and I THINK I saw it reproduced somewhere later on. I never saw them side by side of course. I will scan for you gladly someday- the piece is in a frame so it will take some doing though! No way to be sure when they were drawn but they did have a high price on the piece at Baycon, much higher than most of the other pencils for sale there. Wish I had asked more questions about it. It was a great testimonial to the generosity and kindness of the Kirby that they sold this to me for the lower price to be fair- even though the price was a mistake, as it was labled wrong. They were truly the greatest.
Thanks again
Thanks Pete for the additional detail on the original pencil piece. I'd love to get a scan someday for the archives and this site but understand the effort that goes into taking a piece of out out of a frame. If someday you can here is a link to the Kirby Museum's scanning instructions: http://kirbymuseum.org/oada. Thank you, Tom
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