Jack Kirby's Artist Edition

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Krackles
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The Jack Kirby's New Gods Artist Edition by IDW is at last proudly standing on my desk.
I may have a few complains here and there (mostly with the book design) but, right now, I can only stare at it with a gaping mouth because, content wise and Crapletta aside, it's a thing of beauty!

That book celebrates the King' art in great fashion and was long over due if I ask me.
Thanks for the great job IDW and let's not forget Tom, Randy and every contributors to the book, Jack would have been proud!

Now, let's indulge ourselves in the mandatory questions session:
How many scans did Tom and Randy contributed to the book?
Did IDW returned the favor?
If yes (and how could it be otherwise), how many IDW scans did find their way to the Kirby's OADA?

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t's a good looking volume

t's a good looking volume though I have to agree with the issues concerning some of the scans.

Those were, strictly speaking, IDW scans? That is to say IDW editorially chose to up the contrast on those pages? I took them to be of another, third party source. Either by an operator who doesn't know how to disable the auto-contrast on their scanner or someone who feels that contrast akin to a photo-stat is the proper way to present the artwork. Either way, they did the pages no service.

IDW, for this and all their volumes, needs to introduce a page (boilerplate or not) which describes their methods for the scans (dpi, flatbed vs. drum scan, etc), a spec sheet for the artwork and an explanation of why some pages appear as they do. The best way to set an industry standard is to create one, make a point of publishing it and educating others who may not know any better.

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Ron, I agree.
The Artist Editions are already quite good and IDW did set an editorial standard (in US at least) but they definitely need to be more technically consistent. They have to raise their standard and write down a spec sheet to maintain a consistent level of quality in order to match the editorial content.

Regarding the choice to push the black, I understand that it might have been done in good faith to avoid a grayish look and enhance the visual experience but, in my opinion, it's the biggest mistake made on these books.

Art Editions are supposedly created to be as close as possible to the original art but, in many case, the tonal range in the dark areas is shortened to the point of becoming solid black. One can't distinguishes any tonal range on a brushwork and that's missing the point completely.

Besides, It's not like it wasn't possible to edit a file in Photoshop and define the black point without destroying the tonal range.

To be fair, IDW isn't the only one getting this wrong. I got the same problem with another book produced by Dynamite: Frank Thorne's Red Sonja.

Ah, well… Enough bitching now, I'll grab my Kirby Art Edition and enjoy my evening!

SO COOL! HAHAHA!

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NEW GODS BOOK

Well an ISBN (?) of the book would have ben helpful and maybe a scan of the cover. Is this book 'nationally' available or a limited run/edition only so many will be published?
Inquiring minds want to know.
kc

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Thanks Krackles for the acknowledgement.

The Museum provided issue 7 which I scanned at a private collector's home and a couple of the back up splashes and pinups at the back of the book. And yes IDW is returning the favor by providing copies to the Museum for fun raising and a credit in the book. We'll also get some of the scans for the Kirby Digital Archive that will be displayed on the future Museum archive site...I'm working on...

I think the book is very impressive – to see such great art at a perfect point in Jack's career. Issues 5 and 8 were from poor quality scans and it shows unfortunately. I also wish the paper was less of a bright white but otherwise a good buy considering the art you get to look at.

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Tom, you confirmed my suspicions regarding IDW scanning standard, it doesn't look totally on a par with WiK high quality.
I had noticed many pages were a light saturated yellow, much lighter than the usual scans from WiK for the same period. Furthermore, although the textures of the pages for the first 2 issues are more detailed, it's suspiciously grayish instead of yellowish.

What did you mean by "we'll also get SOME of the scans"?
They didn't give everything they did scan to the Kirby Digital Archive?

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some scans

Yes those pages have a saturated yellow tinge. All the other issues were scanned by IDW on the same scanner we use and you, Epson Expression 10000xl, so the quality is very good. The printing however seemed to add that grayish appearance, my guess because they pushed the blacks to much. The yellowish color of the paper is very hard to get when printing.

IDW was very generous with allowing the museum access to the scans. "Some," meaning there were scans we either contributed ourselves or we have better quality scans (which is the case with issue 8) or the scans are not up to archival quality (issue 5).

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Does no one know the location of New Gods #6 page 25? Or did the owner of the page refuse to let it be scanned?

I have to admit that I was very much looking forward to seeing the original of that page and disappointed that it was one of the three pages in the book missing in scan form.

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That page was not located unfortunately. Scott at IDW did a thorough job searching including Facebook but it wasn't found. I know from my experience how split up in many collections those books can be.

Anonymous
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NEW GODS BOOK

IMHO INSTEAD of everybody bitching here; we ALL need to voice our displeasure with the PUBLISHER; he isn't reading our comments.

RIGHT ?

kctobyjoe

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Fan Ecstatic For Art Edition

As it is, I'm already happy enough with this book even if there's room for improvement.
I do intend to share my opinion with IDW because, next, I want the perfect Kirby's FF Artist Edition!

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I've already done the same

I've already done the same --not in the spirit of an irate customer but as someone who can tell the difference between a good presentation and an ideal one.

Now, as for that FF artist edition, it sure as heck better include a full issue #61 or I'm gonna be bummed. : )

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Agreed

Happy to have found this site, where you folks are discussing the same issue that bothers me about the book: those damn solid blacks! I dislike them so much that I've asked Tales of Wonder whether I can return the book for a refund; no reply yet.

I, too, have emailed IDW about my dissatisfaction. My fingers are crossed for the forthcoming Steranko editions.

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Thanks for the reviews

I wanted the book and tried to budget for it, but expenses knocked it out of the picture. Reading the comments here I'm relived the way things worked out. It sounds to me like the scans at this web page are a better way of looking at the art.