MRE1957's picture
Posted by: MRE1957 | April 28, 2014

This is why he's the King.

Only Kirby could come up this motley crew... Gruning!... Baldini!... General Ching!... Iron-Hand Hauptmann!... Krushki!... Cadavus... and, of course, they are all led by... The Red Skull!

Plus, all that excitement for only 12¢!

Lockjaw's picture
Posted by: Lockjaw | April 29, 2014

Rumor I've heard

This book was drawn after the point where Kirby pretty much stopped introducing new characters for Marvel.

I've heard it said that most of this motley crew appeared as a cameo in an early issue of Iron Man that Kirby drew---TOS 40, 41 or 43. It was said he figured that since he had already drawn them that they were already Marvel's property---so he kind of gave them something they thought was new---that actually was something they already had.

It's the last page of one of those 3 early Iron Man's he did, but I think you could go either way on if they are the same group or not. One sure does seem to be wearing Grunning's big cloak though.

ofolayne's picture
Posted by: ofolayne | May 1, 2014

Response to a Rumor

Hi Lockjaw

Can't say it seems to me that that rumor has much going for it.

I reckon it would have been simpler for Kirby to make up virtually generic new Nazis
than scan an old Iron Man that he'd probably forgotten about for ideas. And as you said,
any similarities I could find are pretty obscure.

And let's not forget, after this Cap issue, Jack still gave Marvel Annihilus, Maximus' glorious
new suit, Mangog, and Pluto's new duds. And maybe more. He just couldn't help himself!

Lockjaw's picture
Posted by: Lockjaw | May 1, 2014

A screencap

Wish I could post a screencap of those couple of panels---there is some similarity as I recall. At any rate, one of those Marvel indexes from the 80s/90s lists that IM issue as the first appearance for some of the "Exiles"

Rand HOPPE's picture
Posted by: Rand HOPPE | May 1, 2014

I dunno...

...seems like over-enthusiastic "continuity archaeology".

panel 6 (second to last) of the last page of "The Stronghold of Doctor Strange!" from Marvel's Tales of Suspense 41, dated May 1963.

Pete Von Sholly's picture
Posted by: Pete Von Sholly (not verified) | May 1, 2014

skull attitude

I LOVE the drawing of the Red Skull. Who but Kirby could (or would even try) to get such ATTITUDE into a character. He clearly relished drawing this villain as cool and sophisticated. The pose, the cigarette holder, the Skull not even looking at Cap... he is confident and arrogant, Wonderful characterization. Jack brought so much to his work!

Lockjaw's picture
Posted by: Lockjaw | May 1, 2014

Better pic

Here's one that is a little more reasonable...............

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/exils1.htm

Maybe Kirby just had generic bad guys images in his head and those images popped back into his mind when thinking a group of underlings

Rand HOPPE's picture
Posted by: Rand HOPPE | May 1, 2014

Ok

panel 6 (second to last) of page 10 (page 14 of the comic) of "The Stronghold of Doctor Strange!" from Marvel's Tales of Suspense 41, dated May 1963.

Mike T's picture
Posted by: Mike T | May 1, 2014

TOS?

Not even close to the Exiles, IMO.

Lockjaw's picture
Posted by: Lockjaw | May 1, 2014

As I said

Probably just images that stuck in his head -----a guy in a fez, a burly guy with distinctive facial hair, an vaguely Asian bad guy.

I don't think they're saying those guys WERE the exiles--created in 1963 and brought back in 1968--but that Kirby created a group of stereotype 'foreign looking' bad guys and then later similar looking guys were created.

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