Tom Kraft's picture
Posted by: Tom Kraft | August 20, 2011

Another one

OK guys bored this weekend? Here is a cover with various figures. The page is credited to Giacoia. Are all the figures inked by him?

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | August 20, 2011

Re: Another one

We cannot be deceived! This cover was inked entirely by Jack Abel! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | August 20, 2011

re: Another one

There's a JV on the back of the board? Hmmm? John Verpoorten's inks kinda have a little bit of Joe Sinnott quality to them--which the Hulk head has. As for the figures--a lot of cutting and pasting on this cover. It seems the Hulk head and the 2 figures, Groot and Titan are all one piece and all inked by the same inker--Big John V. Blip, Diablo, Taboo and Goom appear to be stats and are all four separate cut outs from each other and pasted on. Perhaps stats from the comics they came from so inked by the guys from those books. Goom appears to be inked by Ayers. I'll do some research and get back on the other three.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | August 20, 2011

Jack Abel is a good call For

Jack Abel is a good call For Hulk, Groot and Titan. There is that JV on the back though has me leaning toward Verpoorten.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | August 20, 2011

I don't know?

You may be right on this Johnny S. I kinda recall something about Jack Abel inking this. Whatever the case--it's not Giacoia.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | August 20, 2011

JV on the Back

Frank, my guess would be that the "JV" on the back was Verpoorten's way of signing off on this cover as the production chief, not the inker, since there are production notations there in the same reddish pencil. Most of the monsters on the cover look very much like Abel's inking, and he also inked the interior art, so I'm going with Abel.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | August 20, 2011

Yeah...

...definitely not Giacoia.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | August 21, 2011

I do recall reading this was

I do recall reading this was inked by Abel--and understanding that J.A. inked the interior as you say John makes it more then likely to be inked by him. Has Jack A. inked anything else besides this of Kirby? Because judging by this cover it would be nice to see other pieces of Jack A. inking Jack K.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | August 21, 2011

The ones

Jack Abel : Groot, Xemnu and Hulk
Dick Ayers : Goom
John Romita : Diablo and Taboo
Blip : difficult to say, I would guess production or Romita for a lack of a more informed proposal.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | August 21, 2011

Jack A. inking Jack K.

I agree, it was a pretty good combination, but I can't recall anything else of Kirby's that Abel inked.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | August 21, 2011

re: The ones

That seems to be a pretty reasonable assessment, Krackles.

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Posted by: Ferran Delgado | August 21, 2011

Re: Jack A. inking Jack K.

when you cross both names in Comicbookdb.com, you get this list...
http://comicbookdb.com/creator_combo.php?form_action=process&form_ID1=19...
But it looks like they contributed in the same book, but not in the same story...

Tom Kraft's picture
Posted by: Tom Kraft | August 21, 2011

Inker list

So is this the official credit listing?:
Jack Abel : Groot, Xemnu and Hulk
Dick Ayers : Goom
John Romita : Diablo and Taboo

I only have room from 2 inkers so I'd put Jack Abel and John Romita then indicate the above in the notes. Sounds like a plan?

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | August 21, 2011

Inkers list

Sounds fair, Goom just being a stat.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | August 21, 2011

Nah...

I'm sticking to my original assessment. Sorry guys, but I still think this is all Jack Abel inks. We should get Nick Caputo to weigh in on this. Nick, you out there?

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | August 21, 2011

John, it's John!

Come on John, take a good look at Diablo and Taboo.
The brush strokes are solid and leaning on the fat side, the cloud effect is precise but painfully laborious, this is Romita's job!

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | August 21, 2011

Diablo and Taboo

Actually, I was going to say that Diablo and Taboo are the ones that look the most like Abel's inking (lol)...sorry. Really, Romita did not ink smoke like that and the inklines on Taboo's body don't look like Romita's work either. Now don't get mad, but honestly, the only figure on this cover that looks even remotely like Romita's work to me is Xemnu. And even that is probably just a result of the cross between Kirby's pencilling style and Abel's inking style. Sorry, Krackles, I'm not trying to be obstinate or disagreeable here, but that's just how I see it.

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Posted by: Erik Larsen | August 26, 2011

Agreed!

Groot and the Blip are the only two that could have been inked by other hands and there's not enough evidence to convince me they were. Everything else looks like Jack Abel to me. Likely figures were juggled because the drawing was too tall and it needed to be made to fit.

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Posted by: nick caputo | September 1, 2011

I'm back! I've been a little

I'm back! I've been a little busy lately, writing the into to the Tales to Astonish Masterworks, which collects the stories from #'s 31-34 and all the non-hero back-ups, plus I started a blog on comics, entitled Marvel Mysteries and Comics Minutiae, which you can view here:

http://nick-caputo.blogspot.com/

I'll occasionaly delve into cover id's and such, so I hope some of you will take a look.

Ok, this cover is quite a cut and paste job, making it a headache to decipher, but here are my thoughts:

The main Hulk face looks like it is inked by John Verpoorten. Groot, Goom and Blip (sounds like a rock group) all appear to be penciled by Kirby with little alterations, although I'm not entirely sure if Verpoorten inked those figures. Xemnu appers to be by Kirby, but the arms were likely repositioned by Romita. Diabo and Taboo are either greatly revised from Kirby's original, or entirely drawn by Romita. the only touches of Abel I see is probably on Diablo and Taboo, and that may be inking over Romita pencils. Able did ink the cover to Iron-Man # 91 over Kirby pencils, so you can compare styles there. Able may have been on staff at this point, so he may have assisted in alterations with Romita. I'd love to see the original pencils to compare. I don't recall, was it ever published in Jack Kirby Collector?

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | September 1, 2011

Back up!

Wow, welcome back Nick… the theme of your blog is quite colorful!

So, basically, everybody has a different opinion on this piece?
At least, you see some Romita in Diablo and Taboo! (This is for you John S. ;-)

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | September 1, 2011

Yeah, but you see, guys...

...ERIK LARSEN agrees with ME (lol). And I agree completely with HIS comment. So I'm STILL sticking to my original call: All Kirby pencils and all Abel inks. The figures were probably only repositioned to make them fit better. And Nick, look at those fine lines on the Hulk's face. Those are Jack Abel ink lines, not Verpoorten ink lines. And actually, I think Abel may have been working for Neal Adams at Continuity at this time, not on staff at Marvel, so that would make it even less likely that Romita touched it. Sorry, gentlemen, you're just not convincing me on this one. But hey, if you won't believe ME, at least believe ERIK LARSEN~!!!

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | September 2, 2011

Blind love!

Erik also has fondness for Colletta.
Well, like it has once been said on screen: nobody's perfect!

I wish we could contact John Romita for insight!

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Posted by: patrick ford | September 2, 2011

Blind Love

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | September 3, 2011

It's raining dogs now…

Because of you I got an urge to switch on the backup hard drive and play on Waits' albums!

patrick ford's picture
Posted by: patrick ford | September 1, 2011

Never having seen Able ink

Never having seen Able ink Kirby I have no idea what that would look like. It is my impression that Able had a very heavy handed inking style which usually is easy to identify.
One thing I'm almost convinced of is someone (probably Verpoorten) "scruffied-up" the Hulk's hair, and touched up around the eyes, and the eye brows. The ink is much darker, much more black than the ink whoever inked the rest of the drawing was using. I really doubt it was just a heavy brush load, because of how much darker it is. It's a dramatic difference if you zoom the image.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | September 1, 2011

Okay, I'll give you that one, Patrick

The ink IS darker in the areas you mention. I never noticed that before. That's probably Romita's "scruffied-up" hair and darkened eye areas, since he was quite expert at doing that to keep the Hulk "on model" in the seventies. But that's the ONLY concession I'm gonna make, dammit! You shall all bow to my will before this ends...!!

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | June 18, 2013

*Ahem*

As I said, "You shall all bow to my will before this ends...!!" Now, all of you: BOW!!!...
http://kirbymuseum.tumblr.com/post/53288579832/jack-kirbys-pencil-art-fo...

el zar's picture
Posted by: el zar | June 26, 2013

Great. And Hulk has nice,

Great. And Hulk has nice, soft hair.

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