John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | January 6, 2013

Marriage...

...what a concept. Not too popular with all the fanboy writers and editors working for the Big Two. I'm surprised they haven't busted up this relationship yet. Or have they, when I wasn't looking?

Mark Evanier's picture
Posted by: Mark Evanier (not verified) | February 7, 2013

There's no Mike Royer

There's no Mike Royer lettering on this cover. The word balloon was done by someone in DC's production department.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | February 17, 2013

Speech Baboon

That would explain why the word balloon is placed so badly with such a long tail.
Quite annoying.

pete 's picture
Posted by: pete (not verified) | February 17, 2013

recover the real cover

Ask Rand Hoppe to show the real cover pencils. Somebody at DC went a little nuts...

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 17, 2013

Balloon Placement

A lot of times on these covers they would put in dialogue balloons or blurbs (captions) to fill up the 'holes' (empty spaces) in the artwork. In this case, a blurb would have been more appropriate, in order to avoid the 'pointed' problem Krackles mentions here.

drdroom's picture
Posted by: drdroom | February 17, 2013

Hang on, though-

What is up with all that white out? Was there a whole 'nother character or something in there?

drdroom's picture
Posted by: drdroom | February 17, 2013

Metron

...is not accounted for, though he doesn't seem like a perfect fit for that space.

pete 's picture
Posted by: pete (not verified) | February 17, 2013

white out

There was a big shadow on the "shadow-side" of the rocks and no "eye-hole" on Darkseid's silhouette. Check out the original pencils.Rand?

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 17, 2013

White Out

I doubt if there was another character in there -- probably not enough space. It looks like someone in DC's production department just retouched the rocks a bit when they added the balloon. It'd be interesting to see the original pencilled version and do a comparison. I think it was printed in the Kirby Collector at some point, but I can't recall the issue number.
It's also possible that someone in production added the white-out 'halo' around the figures beneath Darkseid's shadow (although that could have been done by Royer as well), for greater pictorial separation, since the shadow is printed in dark purple, not black, on the actual comic -- a standard production trick DC was using regularly at the time.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | February 17, 2013

Less is more?

It could also be that there was too much going on with the rock in detail and shadow that they wanted more emphasis on Darkseid's shadow. Funny they had to add in the eye with white out to the silhouette so the reader could recognize the shadow more clearly as Darkseid. I'm tempted to play with it and black out the eye.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | February 17, 2013

More or less…

… the case, I would guess.

Also, instead of texture, I believe Kirby had put a lot more shadows on the side of the rock to balance his composition.
That way, Lightray probably standed out more and I suspect Kirby didn't intend to focus that much on Darkseid's shadow. Did he want to blend it on the rock to somehow manage a surprise at a second glance?

Anyway, whatever Kirby tried, somebody thought otherwise and decided not to follow Kirby's first intention..

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 17, 2013

Re: Less is More

"It could also be that there was too much going on with the rock in detail and shadow that they wanted more emphasis on Darkseid's shadow." That's a good point, Frank. I'd say that was probably the case. In fact, if you look closely at the shadow, you can see some distinct variations in the blackness of the ink; such that it looks like Mike may have originally extended the white crags farther across the face, but then either he or someone in the New York office blacked them out for purposes of clarity.

stephenartist's picture
Posted by: stephenartist | February 17, 2013

Lightray's right hand

Umm this is probably mentioned already but..uh.. how many fingers was Lightray suppose to have on his right hand? zoom in and count..

Rand HOPPE's picture
Posted by: Rand HOPPE | February 18, 2013

the Sixth Finger

That sixth finger looks like a Mike Royer slip-up, but of course, Adler's people didn't have to follow it when coloring.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 18, 2013

Yeah, on Jack's original...

...we can see that it's just where Lightray's fingers intersected with the shadow across Dr. Bedlam's stomach. But it's easy to see why someone would misinterpret it as a finger.

Pete Von Sholly's picture
Posted by: Pete Von Sholly (not verified) | February 17, 2013

fist thing first

Wow! I just realized that the big shadow they whited out on the right side of that rock is the shadow of Darkseid's raised FIST! That makes a difference in the whole picture!
Can somebody post the pencils for this page?

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | February 17, 2013

re:fist thing first

Pete Von Sholly said, "Wow! I just realized that the big shadow they whited out on the right side of that rock is the shadow of Darkseid's raised FIST!"

Y'know I was thinking it could have been something like that that was whited out.

Pete Von Sholly's picture
Posted by: Pete Von Sholly (not verified) | February 18, 2013

what are they all looking at?

The missing fist explains a lot. What always seemed really weird was that Darkseid was clearly on the left but ALL the charcters are looking straight ahead… i.e. NOT at Darkseid.
I thought that was a very weird and uncharacteristic MISTAKE on Jack’s part until I looked at the pencils and now it all makes sense. They are looking at his fist which seems about to strike. Is there a way I can post the pencils or send them to someone who can? If you all want to see them I mean?

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 18, 2013

The Original Pencils

Maybe Tom can set up a link. Where did you see the pencilled page? Was it in the Kirby Collector?

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 17, 2013

Oops!

Stephen is right. Whoever made the changes should have been just as concerned with Lightray's hand as they were with Darkseid's shadow. Check it out on the printed comic if you have a copy. It's even colored as six digits!

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | February 18, 2013

re:what are they all looking at?

You can send it to Tom and he'd get it up there. If it's a link you can copy and paste or drag the link unto your comment box.

Rand HOPPE's picture
Posted by: Rand HOPPE | February 18, 2013

Photocopy is up

Cheers, all.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | February 18, 2013

re:Photocopy is up

Thanks, Rand.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | February 18, 2013

Mystery Solved!

Thanks, Rand.

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